30G

She'd probably like those as much as the worms, right Kizno?

Netty wrote:I suppose the alternative would be some sort of geckos then but would she be ok with mealworms, crickets or locusts?

they wont be in the fridge will they so i can see a problem. how long will they stay alive for. actually ill have to look in jollys see if they do mice they doo all pet stuff an crickets mealworms and bits so they might and there just up the road.

SheenaShoup wrote:Wish I could help, could you fit them in the tub with the worms? You mom has reasons that she thinks are health issues and that, in all I know, means unless you can get some really good people like netty and van to personalyy defend and show actual proof, and unless it can be promised that your little bro won't get bitten,(Almost impossible, he'll want to squeal and put his hand in right away, 5 yr olds don't quite understand slow) you should look into the gecko theme.

yh thats the problem i can watch the snake every second of evey day. i do have a lock on my door but there will still be some time where ive left the room and the doors open. to be fair im not saure if he would try to touch it though hes quite scaryed of things like that and spiders and bits. ill have to tlak to my mum more.

SheenaShoup wrote:She'd probably like those as much as the worms, right Kizno?

haha

Crickets etc will live for a maximum of 2 weeks as long as they are gut loaded well.

thats ok then. if i got 12 of the sand newts do you think they would go throught one of the tubs of crickets in 2 weeks? and would it be ok to give themcrickets for 2 weeks the meal worms for 2 weeks or do you need to mix it up? just incase my mum still says no to the snake evan with a lock.

The crickets would last them a while but obviously as they are being fed they will grow which might make some of them too big for the sand geckos. The general rule is to not feed anything than is bigger than the distance between the geckos eyes. Meal worms are ok as a treat but not for everyday feeding unless it's for a Leo. You'd probably need the mini mealies too for the smaller geckos.

This is a good care sheet for them.

http://www.amphibiancare.com/frogs/caresheets/dwarfsandgecko.html

ok :] is there anything else they will eat apart from crickets and mealworms? would maggots work?



ill look throught the sheet now thanks

This is taken from the link I just posted.

Food: Dwarf sand geckos eat the normal assortment of small feeder insects, including crickets, wax worms, mealworms, mini mealworms, and flightless fruit flies. The majority of their diet should consist of crickets, with other feeders offered every few feedings. All food items ideally should be no larger than the gecko’s head, although dwarf sand geckos have a very aggressive appetite and are capable of taking larger prey. Feed adult geckos anywhere from two to eight feeder insects per gecko two or three times a week. High quality vitamin and mineral supplements should be dusted onto the feeder insects every two to three feedings. Juvenile geckos should have their food supplemented more often.

yh i just read that thanks that helped alot. hopefully i wont need to know to much about them because i can get the snakes but i have a feeling my mum still wont let me get one. :[

The only downside to Stenos is that they aren't very common and would take quite a while to find enough to make a large group. I know someone on RFUK that is breeding them at the moment so let me know if these are something you'd definately like or maybe you'd prefer a Leo that can be handled more often.

ok ill let you know what im looking for. do these really hate being handled that much or would they be ok to take out for a few mins to show people and with a group of 12 thats quite a bit of handeling between them. jow much can you handle the leos?
sorry about all the Qs

You can handle them to show people but I wouldn't handle them as much as a Leo which you can get out every day. With Leos being so much bigger they are much more handleable than the smaller more delicate species. Also if you're building a group of Stenos you'd have to quarantine any new ones for at least a couple of months before introducing to your group.

Don't apologise for asking question. It's really good that you're finding out what reptile would be best for you.

This shows how small the babies are. Just soooo teeny.

http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/lizard-pictures/459469-3-little-steno-born-success.html

ok maby ill go with 4 leos then because they seem to have quite a few + over the sand gecko
1 cheaper
2 easyer to get so would have to quarantine them because i could proberly get them all at once
3 can handle more
and i thnik one of my lfs might selll them.

thankss for all the help :]

Netty wrote:This shows how small the babies are. Just soooo teeny.

http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/lizard-pictures/459469-3-little-steno-born-success.html

there tiny the baby arent evan as big as a car key

LOL...yep they are tiny. Puts it into perspective when you see them up against something like the key. They're not really pricey, usually about £10 or £15 pound each but then if you want around 12 then it would be over £100.

LFS probably isnt the best place to buy a reptile from to be honest. There are loads on RFUK classifieds that you can get much cheaper and from more reputable breeders. I'd also just start off with one and see how you get on before getting more of them.

This lady has some gorgeous ones and goes to alot of the reptile shows so you may be able to pick up something at one of those. She has a list of shows on her site. Not sure if any are near you.

http://www.bigyellowgecko.com/index.php

nah none of them where near me shame some of them are amazing and only about £25-35 but i dont know how i would pick 4 out of them lol. do you think i could get 1m 3f or would you just recommend i stick to females? :]

If you don't want to end up with babies then I'd stick to females but be warned that some females will bully each other and would need to be separated. You can't keep mixed sexes until they are big enough for breeding so not a good idea. Also with youngsters it's very difficult to sex them until they are much older.

That's why I'd just start with one. We got our first two females from the same place where they'd been living together but one started losing weight because the other female was bullying her and we had to separate them. If you only have the one enclosure then you'd be faced with having rehome the rest.

ahh thes sounded perfect untill then but 1 in a 30g and if i do get more and they fight. i might just go for the newts then over these but the snake is still what i really want. thanks

Unfortunately that the risk with housing multiples. We've had the same problem with the crested geckos. One of my girls just wouldn't tolerate any other female in with her.

See what you can sort out with your Mum and then at least you'll know what you can and definately can't have.

ok ill talk to her tomorrow about it. if i do make the tank and do go for leos i supose i could hame to tanks half the size or somethink about that size and house 2 separetly?
thanks so much for all the info :]

No probs hun. Just remember to quarantine though. It's really important to keep any new ones or ones from different places apart (totally separate enclosures) and scrub hands inbetween handling them.

I lose count of how often I have to wash my hands at the moment with having my new geckos. It's especially important with Leos because they can carry Crypto which is highly infectious and would require veterinary treatment.

I'd personally go for the leos Kizno! They have amazing personallitys, love to be handled and as far as reptile keeping goes, these little buggers are easy peasy. I wouldn't really worry about putting as many as you possibly can inside the viv, keep one or two and watch them explore, its so cute when they wiggle their bums around the place looking for crickets LOL.

thanks :] my mums out today but ill ask her tomight about the snakes and if she says no then ill go for the leos anf if she says no to them it will be fire bellied newts that shes alredy said ok to. :]

one last Q
what substance would i need.
i heard that you shouldnt use sand with leos so would bark or somethink work?
would sand be ok with the snakes? i know you have to put them in a seprate tub to feed them so they dont swollow any substance.