30G

Yeh, you dont want it too big. Stepping up gradually is another good idea

ok just got to talk my mum into it now lol.

theres 2 cheap ones on ebay now but they dont have a stand and i havent got nowhere else to put it on.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200452765460&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=010

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160415927548&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006

That second one looks good with all the bits that come with it They aren't too heavy, so a tv unit or small cupboard will be fine.

yh and the actual viv looks nices aswell. yh i supose because they wont have water in them.

well my mums still being harsh and says no matters what im not getting a snake. ive said about the pad lock thing and that everywhere i read said there not very agressive and bearly bite and i said what is i get one of them little hand was thingsa like in hospitals in my room so saminela wont get all over the house and she still said no. and she said no to the geckos because she dont like the crickets and said it will be to much keep buying them. she did say ok to the newts but they just seem boring now after looking at all the snakes.

If you were closer I would have offered for you and your mum to come round and see reptiles. I have only ever heard of a few instances of a Royal biting anyone, and even fewer bites from Corns. It is true that reptiles can carry Salmonella, but then virtually all animals pose some kind of health risks to humans. As long as simple steps are taken with cleanliness there should be no problem. The use of an anti-bacterial gel and handwash after handling the reptile or anything in its viv should reduce the risks dramatically. It is normally the under 5's, the elderly or people with lowered immune systems that are most at risk.
Even fish tanks can pose health risks to humans in the form of TB (perhaps dont mention that bit lol)
We've 8 corn snakes and 2 Royals and haven't been biten once. A Royals normal threat response is to curl up into a ball, hence their other name Ball Python. Whenever i mention a Royal python to non-snake people they imagine some huge maneater In fact their average size is only 4 to 5 feet.
The other thing to consider is running costs. An adult snake will eat 1 mouse/rat every 7-10 days, whereas Leos will eat mealworms every day, will have crickets or locusts a couple of times a week, and will also need calcium suppliments.

ive said all that to her and she still wont let me she says no matter what im not having one. illl still keep trying though lol.

Even fish tanks can pose health risks to humans in the form of TB (perhaps dont mention that bit lol)
yh im not telling her that lol or they will have to go aswell lol

It is normally the under 5's, the elderly or people with lowered immune systems that are most at risk.
i think thats why shes worried she knows what my lil bro is like and thats whats putting her off evan with the lock.


The other thing to consider is running costs. An adult snake will eat 1 mouse/rat every 7-10 days, whereas Leos will eat mealworms every day, will have crickets or locusts a couple of times a week, and will also need calcium suppliments.
i found out i can get small pink mice for 50p at jollys which is about 5 mins away so would have no problem getting them. i dont know how much they are for the big rats need to go look.
thats what put my mum of the geckos because having to get crickets every few weeks and all the calcium stuff must cost quite a bit over a few feeds. the tubs of it are £5 at my lfs and only small.

kizno1 wrote:
i found out i can get small pink mice for 50p at jollys which is about 5 mins away so would have no problem getting them. i dont know how much they are for the big rats need to go look.
thats what put my mum of the geckos because having to get crickets every few weeks and all the calcium stuff must cost quite a bit over a few feeds. the tubs of it are £5 at my lfs and only small.

50 pence for Pinkies isn't too bad. A fully grown Royal would be on medium/large rat depending where you get them. They cost around £3 ish....

Tubs of calcium for Leos would last ages. At least 2 months for a few Leos A tub of crickets would last a couple of weeks for a pair of Leos if the crickets are fed well and kept warm. Mealies again can be kept alive for a couple of weeks easily

well i can get the food for the snake fine but just not the snake lol.
my mum still says no to the geckos

How about a Map Turtles

would they live in a 30g all there life? they have some at on of my lfs but i thought they got to big.

Good point Kizno

How about some kind of Frog

oo i though you was going to say it would be fine

Vandraco aka Bronzecat wrote:How about some kind of Frog

ive been looking at a few.
fire bellied toads, poison dart frogs ( but mum says no to them lol), tree frogs should all work.

Reed Frogs are nice .

there quite nice. ive manger to convince my mum into the geckos and im still working on the snake :]

with the geckos i went to the lfs and they had calcium power with this other thing it began in p but i cant think what it was and they had one that was just calcium. which one is best? they also had a leopard gecko dust stuff would that be any good?
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Hi
Normal calcium and another product called Nutrabol are the best. The nutrabol being used to dust the crickets/locusts twice a week. At other times use the calcium.

You ideally need two supplements one a mineral and the other calcium. Mineral are very easily found and as Van has said Nutrabol is very good. For calcium you can either buy a tub or grind up cuttle fish bones and thats pure calcium carbonate and works out alot cheaper .

Thanks ill have a loook and see if i can find nutrabol. I might try the cuttle fish bones if they work out cheaper. thanks :]

well my mum still says no to the snake so i think i might do a 30g paludarium for fire bellied newts or somethink like that. and then if i can convince my mum maby get a little tank for a pair of sand geckos orr a leopard gecko.

I can't have snakes either Kizno! Fire bellied newts or geckos are still cool!

yh but i just really wanted the snake. im looking at mossy frogs aswell or poison dart frogs.